tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1239208160753453078.post5091275540995431335..comments2023-07-27T16:11:13.064+02:00Comments on my occult circle: Saturnian vs. Venusian MagicFrater Acherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08460285916136697108noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1239208160753453078.post-89827208249408002242013-07-11T05:24:51.218+02:002013-07-11T05:24:51.218+02:00how can there be any difference? do you not visual...how can there be any difference? do you not visualize the pentagrams, hexagrams, sigils etc in your temple workings? that IS visionary magick as much as anything else is. I suggest what seeming differences may exist are only an illusion.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02292455315900322835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1239208160753453078.post-34529088704296630632013-07-11T05:22:11.371+02:002013-07-11T05:22:11.371+02:00Your writing here was interesting but I see no val...Your writing here was interesting but I see no validity in your words....there is no difference but subtle differences. To assume german mages and magick are totally saturnian and british are venusian is a big assumption....all paths lead the same place....I think you created these differences in your mind only...It is not a reality but it is an interesting theory....Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02292455315900322835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1239208160753453078.post-8265509458925849932011-12-06T16:27:02.916+01:002011-12-06T16:27:02.916+01:00I, too, wish you all the best. Yes, it seems we...I, too, wish you all the best. Yes, it seems we're both looking towards simplicity. Thanks again for sharing through your blog the landscapes of your path.<br />It's banal, but i do believe that every creative journey starts in complexity and ends in simplicity. It's a matter of vision sharpening and self knowledge: we get rid of useless superstructures while our work become more subtle, mature and efficient.<br />And our journey is the most creative one, isn't it?Le Folhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10541657730231667647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1239208160753453078.post-8577321882998251452011-12-06T07:12:45.988+01:002011-12-06T07:12:45.988+01:00Thanks for sharing these thoughts here, Le Fol. Tr...Thanks for sharing these thoughts here, Le Fol. Truly words of wisdom and very good observations indeed. Inwish you all the best on sour journey. It seems like we are traveling in the same direction...Frater Acherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08460285916136697108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1239208160753453078.post-40621444956351721702011-12-06T05:09:29.169+01:002011-12-06T05:09:29.169+01:00Thank you for the interesting post. It's funny...Thank you for the interesting post. It's funny how in these days i'm once again discovering how (my) most effective magic lies in simple things like relaxation, flowing and inner journeying, so to speak. For a long time i tried to understand what the "classical" western yoga was missing (from my point of view, of course) and the answer came quite painfully: flexibility, freedom, silence. Too many words and acts for a very simple purpose: believing in our Godlike nature and in the answers from our inner worlds.Le Folhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10541657730231667647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1239208160753453078.post-27170227746610411832011-12-05T22:54:01.890+01:002011-12-05T22:54:01.890+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Le Folhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10541657730231667647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1239208160753453078.post-20452161051733879952011-12-05T22:53:08.285+01:002011-12-05T22:53:08.285+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Le Folhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10541657730231667647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1239208160753453078.post-41995217555569809442011-12-02T15:22:44.671+01:002011-12-02T15:22:44.671+01:00I just read a book from a german magician who labe...I just read a book from a german magician who labels visionary magick as " arm chair magick ". Clearly showing that this approach was highly under estimated for a long time in german magic history. I have to admit that i wasn't taking much interest myself in visionary magic until i read Josephine's book and some of Dolores books on visionary magick. Right now i am trying to merry my temple work with visionary magick which seems to be do-able but definitely it is challenging. Thanks for that inspiring post !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1239208160753453078.post-34866352539349743692011-12-01T17:43:25.558+01:002011-12-01T17:43:25.558+01:00hi layo, thanks - glad it sparked some new ideas.....hi layo, thanks - glad it sparked some new ideas...Frater Acherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08460285916136697108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1239208160753453078.post-2205351865848961052011-11-29T19:17:58.509+01:002011-11-29T19:17:58.509+01:00Thanks for that insight, I think I see a source of...Thanks for that insight, I think I see a source of inner conflict more clearly now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1239208160753453078.post-65727117684659935602011-11-28T13:45:05.136+01:002011-11-28T13:45:05.136+01:00Well again, I should have said "used" in...Well again, I should have said "used" instead of "stolen"... The days were different back then and I guess the transmission of knowledge depended on these gobbled and entwined ways of sharing and teaching.Frater Acherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08460285916136697108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1239208160753453078.post-39282140834722788482011-11-28T13:33:34.467+01:002011-11-28T13:33:34.467+01:00Well, and Bardon had stolen much of it from P.B. R...Well, and Bardon had stolen much of it from P.B. Randolph. So it all comes full circle in the end... :-)Frater Acherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08460285916136697108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1239208160753453078.post-64726190062323613532011-11-28T13:32:43.329+01:002011-11-28T13:32:43.329+01:00Thanks for sharing, Josephine. I knew I was pretty...Thanks for sharing, Josephine. I knew I was pretty much generalizing in comparing "the" UK with "the" occult tradition in Germany. Reality is much more textured and layered obviously. However, sometimes painting it a bit black and white helps a lot to see the larger patterns - and indeed the absence of women and visionary or venusian magic in Germany is just striking. - iIt would be a wonderful body of work to analyse how Crowley tried to ridge this gap unsuccessfully in my opinion. Yet, he took a lot of the Grman magic tradition as developed by Tränker, Reuss, Mussalam and Bardon later and merged it into his own type of Magick...Frater Acherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08460285916136697108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1239208160753453078.post-86007594085749848732011-11-28T10:17:35.555+01:002011-11-28T10:17:35.555+01:00Thats a very interesting post, thankyou. And lots ...Thats a very interesting post, thankyou. And lots of very important observations. There are threads of that Saturn magical mentality here in the UK, and one or two people have pushed through that to form an outer system that connects to the inner, but that is very rare.Josephinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12815163823337524798noreply@blogger.com